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New Image of IV Cover Released

The Red Dwarf Zone strikes again. After quite a while with no updates, they're back with a bang with this news of a new image of the Region 2 IV DVD cover. Nice one Bob. And Madge.

It's difficult to tell whether this is the final version of the cover, or just another draft - but either way, with all the logos present and correct, it looks very authentic. One interesting point is that the logo is silver, and not red and black like in the previously released image. Again, we can't say for definite, but if they have gone for silver foil, it fits in with the design of the previous DVDs. It's a pity if the black with red foil idea has been abandoned, but the silver still seems to work.

The pictures of Ace Rimmer and space mumps Lister also seems to have disappeared; perhaps they thought that the cover was too busy with it included? I certainly prefer it without the piccies, as I was worried about the cover looking too complicated. The tagline "The Entire Fourth Series" as shown on the previous draft has changed to "The Original Fourth Series" - which also fits in with previous releases, but no longer makes the distinction between eps that were Re-mastered or not. I prefer "Entire" myself, but there you go. Holly has also been added to the spine, like the Series III release.

I must say, much as I didn't like it before, the cover is growing on me. IF ONLY I HAD THE TIME DRIVE SO I COULD GO TO THE 16TH FEBRUARY 2004.

Comments

The black around the foil looks like a fake black airbrush effect to me.

Like it though, makes more sense not to have the black/red version of the logo, and I like the uncrowded cover.

Posted by Call me Uncertain at November 26, 2003 02:44 PM

Here is my theory. This is a fake cover.

There is no way they would break continuity by dropping the pictures. Also the holly picture on the spine is the same as Series III. This wouldn't happen either. It all looks very botched indeed.

Believe me or not, I think this is a sham of a mockery of a sham.

Posted by Cappsy at November 26, 2003 03:48 PM

I second that it is a fake.
If you look on the spine, the "Red Dwarf Logo" that builds up does not continue from the Series 3 DVD.
It is left mid way through the R and W but this shows the E and A.
The first images spine lines up correctly.

Posted by Chris at November 26, 2003 06:07 PM

It's too slick to be a fake - the formatting of the image is identical to the standard BBCWW press release pics. And where would the supposed faker get a clean, high-res version of that background image from? I'm confident that it's real - although I still think there's a bit of minor tinkering yet to happen. As for the spine thing - the spine images on BBCWW DVD press release pics are nearly always hastily mocked-up due to the images often being released as front cover scans only.

I did prefer the black and red logo one though.

Posted by Darrell Jones at November 26, 2003 06:17 PM

I've got no idea what to make of this. There is *no way* that they'd repeat the spine picture, especially for consequetive releases. Then again, as Darrell points out, this would be impossible to fake.

My initial thought was that it might be an earlier draft than the existing one, seeing as the pertinant DVD Details update says that the silver logo and 'original fourth series' text had been replaced upon consideration. However, that can't be right - the two-disc logo and certificate have both been updated.

If this is the latest version, I prefer the old one, sadly.

Posted by Ian Symes at November 26, 2003 07:21 PM

Lets not forget, that Red Dwarf Movie leaflet. We all thought that was a fake, and it turned out to be real. Myself, im not sure. I mcuh prefer the Red and Black logo though.

Posted by Thomas A Evans at November 26, 2003 07:55 PM

According to reddwarf.co.uk, the background has already been decided (with pic)and that Kryten will be on the Spine...Some tinkering with the logo's was still to be done...But the basics were there..so I reckon it's a fake..

"The matching Dwarf logo on the spine will continue, and this time it's Kryten's turn as spine character. And while you could argue that Lister's painting image doesn't fully fit the scale and logic, the design was always intended to be figurative, not literal. He isn't to scale on the covers on Series I, II and III either... and, well, someone's gotta paint over the space mump stains."

Posted by Cpt-D at November 26, 2003 07:58 PM

What I don't understand is how an apparently 'new' version of the cover (with the new 2 Disk logo) would take a step back from the previous release. By this, I mean the spine on the first version we saw was perfect, so why is this 'new' one not perfect?

I still take my stand of this being a fake. Time will tell.

Posted by Cappsy at November 26, 2003 08:30 PM

I must say, I did wonder about it being a fake. I wrote a couple of sentences suggesting this, and then thought it simply looked too good to be one.

I take the point about the Holly image, though - I should have thought of that. I think it's probably just another draft; nearer to the final version, but not complete.

Posted by John Hoare at November 26, 2003 09:14 PM

Whether it's fake or not, I still stand by preferring this version *without* the piccies at the front. The cover design is just too busy to make that look good.

Posted by John Hoare at November 26, 2003 09:17 PM

Cappsy, read what I wrote about the bloody spine! BBCWW often only release the front cover image for booklets and press images, forcing the person putting together the 3D image of the box to mock up a spine image (or in this case, modify the series 3 spine). Sometimes they don't even do a fake one.

Aside from the reversion to silver foil and the 'Original' label, the front is essentially no different. This isn't a fan fake, it's an official proof design. Whether it dates from before or after the red and black one is unknown, but in any case it's not an unofficial fake. It will have been a case of 'get me a series 4 cover to use on this booklet, Janice'.

Posted by Darrell Jones at November 26, 2003 10:22 PM

Well how can I argue with such a well put together and self rightous post?

I stand corrected, sir.

Posted by Cappsy at November 26, 2003 11:42 PM

Just one thing, the new 'TWO DISK' logo suggests this version came AFTER the previous one (which had a perfect spine) where as this 'new' one doesnt have a perfect spine. Do you see?

Posted by Cappsy at November 26, 2003 11:43 PM

I agree, it looks better without the pics on the front....Looking around, I cant find this image anywhere else...But for me theres 3 reasons to think it's a fake..1, is the Kryten Image, 2, I'm convinced they will stick with the pics on the front and 3, the case is white. Why would anyone go to the trouble of making up a spine when there's no real need to show it and if you're going to that trouble, surely you would use a black case as the previous discs were in...It just doesn't add up for me.

Posted by Cpt-D at November 26, 2003 11:47 PM

Further more, The E from RED is clearly visible
on the spine, whereas on Ser III the R had only just started I/E a Straight line...If someone has used the Correct and Final front, which I doubt they would have been far better off leaving the spine off altogether as it Can't be right...It say's the cover was recieved in an email..From whom, I wonder.

Posted by Cpt-D at November 27, 2003 12:01 AM

Wow, someone agrees with me!

Posted by Cappsy at November 27, 2003 12:04 AM

It's not a real case, Cpt-D. It's the same CG thing they always use - standard for a-- oh, I give up.

It's probably not the final design but it's definitely a genuine proof (the front is, anyway, the bastard spine's a hastily-modified version of the S3 one created for the generic BBCWW box image) - do you still not see?! The bloody evidence says so!

Also, try to consider why someone would bother putting in a ridiculous amount of effort creating a mockup of a cover that's already been designed. What would be their purpose? To put all that effort in just for the sake of making a higher-res image, even though a proper one's going to turn up shortly anyway? It would be RIDICULOUS and unjustifiable.

Posted by Darrell Jones at November 27, 2003 01:32 AM

I think Darrell is right; it seems extremely likely to be another draft. As said above, the background used is obviously a clean one, as there isn't the Lister/Rimmer piccy on the front - and there are no signs of dodgy editing where it was before. Same with where the logo is, etc. And, for that matter, the quality of the image in general, in resolution, etc - *nothing* indicates that it is a fake whatsoever. It's just *far* too well done. You certainly couldn't have got that image from pissing around with the RDSUK design; and there is no way you could have got the clean background. And unlike the first three covers, the background design isn't on www.reddwarf.co.uk yet as a wallpaper. I think it is this that pretty much proves it's genuine - at exactly what stage this was produced is obviously open to debate, but with the new 2-disc logo and corrected bonus material writing, it must be newer than the one on RDSUK.

(The spine issue confuses things somewhat; but the above pretty much proves it isn't a fake, whether Darrell is right in his theory about it or not. He might well be. The front cover is definitely newer than the RDSUK one - the spine could well have been added seperately. It's a bit of a non-issue that confuses, really - the above is proof of it not being a fake, whatever the problems with the spine. There are any number of ways of explaining it away - and precisely no ways to explain the cover.)

And the more I see it without the piccies on the front, the more I much, much prefer it. Possibly they realised it looks better? Or maybe there is another reason, and they'll be on the final version. I hope they aren't, although to be fair it's difficult to tell exactly how a cover will work from a net image - it might all work perfectly in the flesh.

Posted by John Hoare at November 27, 2003 08:17 AM

Fake or no fake, I hope the final image has pictures on the front. For continuity sake.

Posted by Cappsy at November 27, 2003 09:28 AM

Ah, Debate for the Masses, and I love to Mass-debate...
Anyway,I got the impression this was shown as some kind of final version which it clearly isn't.I know what Darrell is saying, and it's my feeling it may be one of several 'Drafts' being discussed..If it is the final front, then great but why spoil all that effort by showing a false or mocked up spine..I appologise for using the word 'Fake' when 'Alternative' may be a better word..It does look less cluttered without the pic on the front..Wether it is fake or alternative is really by the by, as it can't overall be the final version..

Posted by Cpt-D at November 27, 2003 09:29 AM

I hope I didn't give the impression it was definitely the final version - I did say "It's difficult to tell whether this is the final version of the cover, or just another draft". I was a bit rushed with the article - it looks like the spine is definitely a draft, and the front cover could either be the final thing or another draft (easiest to assume the latter, for the moment). We'll just have to wait for the OS to publish the final cover.

I know what you're saying about the pictures on the front Cappsy - it would seem slightly strange not to have them in continuity terms. But I so much prefer the look of the cover without them that I'd rather they weren't on there. It's really turned me round from thinking the cover is a bit crap, to actually liking it quite a lot...

Posted by John Hoare at November 27, 2003 10:01 AM

Hmm, well I really like the version with the pictures. Even if i didn't like the version with the pictures on, I would wan't that one to eb released. I'm such a sucker for continuity, i'm afraid.

What do you all think of the silver logo then? I like it. I hope they keep it that way (again: continuity)

Posted by Cappsy at November 27, 2003 01:00 PM

It really is difficult to tell which logo would have worked better - we don't get the nice foil effect online, so it is difficult to tell. I'd say that the silver appears to work quite well, but that I suspect the red foil/black writing might work better. If they do go with the silver, either they did it for continuity, or the red/black idea just didn't look as nice in the flesh as they thought it would.

I'm still intrigued by this "Original Fourth Series" - if they *do* go with that, it wouldn't appear to make a whole lot of sense, seeing as only I-III were Re-mastered. (In this country, anyway - I still want to know if anything was done to the later series for the Japanese releases. If it wasn't, they'll be confused!)

Posted by John Hoare at November 27, 2003 01:19 PM

Drumjay is your man to ask about that one. I suspect nothing was done, however.

Posted by Cappsy at November 27, 2003 01:37 PM

Patsy Kensit says:

The date for your diary - schedules permitting - is Sunday, November 30th at 11.20pm. Originally the series would have started a week earlier, but Timeslides was pulled by the BBC at the last minute on November 9th, quite rightly, to avoid the Adolf Hitler 'guest appearance' going out on Remembrance Sunday.

Posted by Norman Bates at November 28, 2003 01:43 PM

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