More IV Extras Passed
Wah. After checking the BBFC every single day for extras, I miss one day and Back In The Red get there first. Damn. Entitled Red Dwarf - Ace Rimmer: A Life in Lame, it actually consists of quite a lot of the IV extras.
First, A Life in Lamé itself lasts 11 minutes 10 seconds - remember, this will be "a collection of Ace clips charting the hero's journey", and includes some new links from Hattie Hayridge as Holly, which should be excellent. The Lurve featurette lasts 3 minutes - as it goes to the tune of Dizzy from Vic Reeves and the Wonderstuff, so will probably be actually quite good. The Deleted Scenes lasts for 20 minutes 50 seconds, whilst the Smeg Ups lasts for 10 minutes 38 seconds. The Dimension Jump featurette lasts for 1 minute 40 seconds - presumably, the animated Six Of The Best snippet, and one of the easter eggs. Finally, there are lots of little things:
00:01:00:14 | BONUS FOOTAGE - COMIC RELIEF 00:01:42:06 | RED DWARF - EASTER EGG 00:00:33:16 | RED DWARF 00:00:38:04 | RED DWARF 00:00:32:22 | UNTITLED
Obviously some of these are Easter Eggs - what the rest are, we have no idea. Possibly a trailer? No idea about the Comic Relief thing either - as the Bohemian Rhapsody stuff was shot in Series VI. if anyone has any guesses, let us know...
Interestingly, we are told that "To obtain this category cuts of 0m 9s were required., some or all of these cuts were substitutions. The cuts were Cuts for Category. Distributor chose to remove all visual evidence of six instances of strong language being spoken in order to achieve a 12. An uncut 15 was available to the distributor." Presumably stuff from Smeg Ups? The Red Dwarf Zone has complained about this, and says that the DVD would be better as a 15 without the cuts. I absolutely agree - but market economies mean that the DVD really has to be kept down as a 12 - it means they have a bigger budget to do better things, as sales will be higher. I'd rather have more and better extras and the odd cut to them.
All of this joins the Built To last documentary and Film Inserts for the IV DVD - we can expect the menus at some point too. And Can't Smeg Won't Smeg, which is on the DVD, has never been released before, and so has yet to be classified.
Comments
Will Can't Smeg Won't Smeg definitely be on IV or are you just suggesting it should be?
Posted by Joey at October 12, 2003 08:17 PM
Ellard said it would be on it in one of the DVD Details articles.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 12, 2003 08:21 PM
I was expecting G&T to get there first, you were both pished weren't you? Good thing I didn't come on Saturday night then
Posted by Drzymala at October 12, 2003 08:44 PM
We weren't pished; we're just generally incompetent.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 12, 2003 08:48 PM
Well, the typing about it on the fan club was appalling, or was that just to give us the impression u were bladdered?
Posted by Drzymala at October 12, 2003 08:49 PM
When I got back last night at 11:30pm, I hadn't slept for 48 hours. Hence, me sleeping until 4:30pm.
However, after that, it was general incompetence.
Posted by John Hoare at October 12, 2003 08:58 PM
Ah, thats alright then :)
Posted by Drzymala at October 12, 2003 09:07 PM
They're not going to put stupid 'CENSORED!' captions over their gobs are they? Bloody hell.
I wonder if they'll have bleeped Danny John-Jules' "Fuck!" from a Meltdown out-take that slipped through the net uncensored on Smeg Outs? (They'd better not miss out the IV out-takes from Smeg Outs, either).
P.S. Your front page says that 'Legion' will be repeated by UK Gold in *September*... out-of-date or did you mean October?
Posted by Darrell Jones at October 12, 2003 09:11 PM
Yes, we meant October. Bah.
I did get a bit pished last night, hence my crap typing. But it's no excuse to miss the BBFC stuff this morning.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 12, 2003 09:25 PM
I did wonder the same thing about the visual stuff, Darrell. I hope it would be a subtle pixellation effect if so...
As for the DJJ stuff slipping through uncensored, it was a 15 - I suspect it's because Danny says "Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark!" rather than "FUCK!". A bit like Histor, going out on Sunday lunchtime: "Fark! Fark! Fark off! Fark!"
Posted by John Hoare at October 12, 2003 09:48 PM
I didn't realise visual edivence of strong language would need to be removed. byt hat i assume they mean lip movement.
Unless, of course, it was of the cast giving each other the finger.
Anyway, I'm not bothered as I have all the decent Smeg ups on my two VHS. I don't bother rewatching them on the DVD.
Posted by Cappsy at October 13, 2003 11:58 AM
This whole thing is weird. You can clearly see Norman saying 'fuck' on the Series I DVD. And I sincerely doubt that giving the finger would be a problem - Kryten does it in Kryten, and again in Back to Reality, both of which are certificated as PG.
Of course, clear lip movement showing bad language *shouldn't* be classified as a 15, for fuck's sake. It's just stupid.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 13, 2003 12:20 PM
A solitary use of 'fuck' wouldn't be enough to get a 15 - I'm Alan Partridge got a 12 despite Partridge's 'fuck off' to Dave Clifton in whichever episode it was. I don't know how many fucks are required before the BBFC ups the rating.
Posted by Simon at October 13, 2003 12:29 PM
Hmm. This is all very weird. It must be 'cunt', but I don't remember anyone saying 'cunt' on the Smeg Ups tape.
Of course, it *might* be another feature that is affected. I doubt there's anything in the deleted scenes or Life in Lam� - perhaps one of the easter eggs?
Posted by Ian Symes at October 13, 2003 12:33 PM
Yes, for all we know there could be some rushes footage in there that needed it...
Ah well, I guess we'll just have to wait for release. I maintain that there is absolutely sod all in the *first* two releases that justify anything more than a PG - but from the BBFC's point of view, they do have a hard job - and they have to draw the line somewhere. It's a bit irritating, though, particuarly when things like this happen.
Posted by John Hoare at October 13, 2003 12:50 PM
It's the 'implied swearing' in the out-takes that bumps it to a 12.
Posted by Darrell Jones at October 13, 2003 01:18 PM
Yes, but we would argue that this *shouldn't be* the case, even though it is.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 13, 2003 01:21 PM
Is it just me who thinks that the odd bleep on the Smeg Ups tapes is put there for comic effect and not covering an actual swearword? There are a few instances (there's one in that "Norman Lovett string of profanity where I'm sure "poo" has been bleeped) that make me think this.
I may be going insane, but watch every mouth in those tapes and there are several bleeps that don't seem to be censoring actual profanity.
Posted by Darrell Jones at October 13, 2003 01:41 PM
Indeed, I think it's bloody stupid for 'implied swearing' to get the Smeg Ups sections in the first two DVDs to get a 12 when PG films are allowed a few shits. But, as I say, it's a fine line, and they've got to draw it somewhere. And it's getting drawn lower and lower these days, which is good.
Back to this release - I share Ian's confusion. We'll just have to wait until it's out, I suppose.
Posted by John Hoare at October 13, 2003 05:58 PM
I remember hearing that it's "3 fucks and you're out". Ie. 3 "fucks" and it becomes a 15 instead of a 12.
Posted by Pete Martin at October 14, 2003 01:28 PM
I've just had a though - perhaps the edits are for swearwords that were written down for whatever reason?
Posted by Darrell Jones at October 14, 2003 05:37 PM
A thought, not a though.
Posted by Darrell Jones at October 14, 2003 05:37 PM
That probably would need to be censored, Darrell, but I can't think of a situation where someone would go on a Red Dwarf set and hold up a sign saying "YOU CUNT".
Pete Martin - did you used to write in to BTL a lot? If you're the person I'm thinking of, you were one of the first people to slag off VII. Ergo, you are great.
Posted by Ian Symes at October 14, 2003 06:07 PM
Yeah, that would be me (unless you haven't worked that out by now)
Apologies for the rather poor response time to this question (a quite ridiculous 7 months). Got back to this article via the lovely search function.
Posted by Pete Martin at May 30, 2004 03:40 PM
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