PROPS
Model Miniature Section Of The SSS Esperanto #2 | Back To Reality | £295
Section one hasn't sold yet. Why not buy all sections of it, put it together, and then crawl on all fours around the model going "phsswwwwwwwwwbubblebubblebubble"?
Fire Axe Case | Quarantine | £195
"I have a medium-sized fire axe buried in my spinal column. That sort of thing can really put a crimp on your day." Isn't Quarantine great? Incidentally, I can't remember whether the axe itself has actually come up for auction or not yet, and I can't be arsed checking; thereby confirming G&T's reputation for editiorial excellence. We obviously need Michael Grade. WHO WOULD CANCEL US OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE SCIENCE FICTION HA HA HA.
Lister Prisoner Costume | Cassandra (deleted scene) | £795
It's burnt. Taken from a deleted scene (see this production polariod) - a deleted scene that does not, I hasten to add, turn up in the Red Dwarf VIII scriptbook. Damn fools. (The book however, does feature the following amusing exchange cut from the Holly/Lister scene at the start: "It's a classic Catch-44 situation. / Catch 22. / No, it's twice as bad as that.")
Baby Dinosaur Feet & Tail | 'Pete' Part Two | £395
Fancy owning something from the worst special effect in the worst episode of Red Dwarf ever? Then this is for you.
Pair Of Kryten's Eyes | 'Pete' Part Two (deleted scene) | £395
Gah. A throwaway shot that I bet was funnier than much of what was left in the episode - CUT. (Actually, whilst poor in comparison to most eps, I do think there are some great bits in the episode; and it's more watchable than half of VII. But it's funnier to just slag it off. Erm, it's crap. I hate it. Rubbish. It smells.)
PROPS.
Comments
"We obviously need Michael Grade. WHO WOULD CANCEL US OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE SCIENCE FICTION HA HA HA"
Yeah, been a bit of a good news/bad news few weeks for Dr Who fans.
Posted by Pete Martin at April 2, 2004 07:10 PM
Coincidentally, I watched my first Dr Who story ever today; I'm halfway through Earthshock. (I picked up a load of old videos from a friend.)
It's rather good so far, as well.
Posted by John Hoare at April 2, 2004 08:48 PM
Dr. Who is rather good - although my experience with it has been almost solely with Tom Baker in the lead role.
Incidentally, John, did you get my email? Normally I wouldn't ask you here, but I may be having problems with my account, which isn't particularly good, seeing as I am in the middle of negotiations with Mr. Howard Goodall.
Posted by Austin Ross at April 2, 2004 10:32 PM
Yes, I did. It's on my To Do list. Right after learn Portuguese. (Or, rather: when I do my big e-mail session tonight.)
Posted by John Hoare at April 2, 2004 10:40 PM
And: negotiations. Excellent. Is this "answer three more questions and I'll give you a big blowjob"?
Posted by John Hoare at April 2, 2004 10:41 PM
Yes.
Posted by Austin Ross at April 2, 2004 11:01 PM
JPGS PLZ
Posted by John Hoare at April 2, 2004 11:02 PM
John, I order you to watch 'The Talons of Weng-Chiang' before you go any further - it's a masterpiece.
It's available on DVD if it's not in the pile you've been given - you and everyone just fucking buy it, it's PERFECT television.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 3, 2004 02:48 AM
I'm currently 3/4ths the way through Ressurection of the Daleks. Watching 8 episodes in one day isn't bad for someone new to the show...
And thanks for the tip; I'll try that when I've got some DVD money.
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 03:03 AM
Ah, and now I know where "I CAN'T STAND THE CONFUSION IN MY MIND!!!" comes from. Excellent.
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 03:06 AM
"I can't stand the confusion in my mind!" is something that regularly gets quoted down our way.
Also, when the Daleks first appear, there's a bloke doing really laughable death acting, which is fun to impersonate (or attempt to top).
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 3, 2004 03:20 AM
Finished. Nice to see Peter Wragg in the credits! I never realised the body count in Who was so high, though...
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 03:44 AM
I love The Talons of Weng-Chiang. Not seen it on DVD, though.
Posted by Austin Ross at April 3, 2004 03:53 AM
Question: why are the forward-moving starfield end titles (of the Peter Davidson era, at any rate) *so* much nicer than the equivalent Red Dwarf version used for Series V - which I've always throught looked a bit cheap and tacky? Very silly.
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 03:07 PM
Man! And here was me thinking that all the dinosaur exctinction stuff in Earthshock was great; according to all the reviews, it's far too convenient, forced, and only kids would think it was any good.
Wah!
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 04:36 PM
I'd recommend The Ark in Space, as well - I've always liked that one.
Posted by Austin Ross at April 3, 2004 05:32 PM
I don't like The Ark In Space myself, think it's a bit padded.
As for the starfield sequence, they've just made an in-depth documentary about the technique used for the upcoming DVD release of 'The Leisure Hive'.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 3, 2004 05:36 PM
Excellent. It's really very lovely.
The Red Dwarf version annoys me; some nasty fades, some rubbish what I presume to be nebulae; far inferior to the previous set of titles, or any subsequent ones. (It's also used for a shot in the cockpit window in Epideme, fact fans.)
Posted by John Hoare at April 3, 2004 05:40 PM
Don't give me this Doctor Who crap, it's too early in the morning.
Posted by Ian Symes at April 3, 2004 06:02 PM
It may be padded, but it was the first Dr. Who I ever saw, so I suppose I'd like it anyway, even if it isn't among the best. I do have a very limited knowledge of Dr. Who, so that could also be part of the reason.
Posted by Austin Ross at April 3, 2004 06:03 PM
My personal recommendation from the Davison era would be Kinda - a fine story only let down by one "visual effect" near the end. And the dinosaur stuff in Earthshock really pales into insignificance besides the glory of killing off Adric.
I've just realised I've never posted here before so I shouldn't really be talking solely about Dr Who. Erm... Red Dwarf, eh? You know it.
Posted by Antony Sidwell at April 4, 2004 01:04 AM
Noooooo! Not Kinda! It bores me rigid.
Good 'uns (yes, I know I'm focusing on the Imagines and Bohemian Rhapsodies of DW, but they're popular for a reason) below. Any of these will blow your face off with their goodness:
The Keys of Marinus
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Mind Robber
Terror of the Autons
The Daemons
Carnival of Monsters
The Green Death
Planet of the Spiders
The Seeds of Doom
The Talons of Weng-Chiang
City of Death
Logopolis
Castrovalva
Black Orchid
Enlightenment
Attack of the Cybermen
The Greatest Show In The Galaxy
The Curse of Fenric
A nice long list there, the stories within it would convert even the most stubborn of folk to the religion of Who.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 03:20 AM
Erm, that wasn't meant to come out like that, especially not that endless series of line breaks.
Sorry, I was attempting to show off and ballsed the whole thing up.
That list normally:
(The Keys of Marinus
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Mind Robber
Terror of the Autons
The Daemons
Carnival of Monsters
The Green Death
Planet of the Spiders
The Seeds of Doom
The Talons of Weng-Chiang
City of Death
Logopolis
Castrovalva
Black Orchid
Enlightenment
Attack of the Cybermen
The Greatest Show In The Galaxy
The Curse of Fenric)
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 03:21 AM
"Exxxcellent." Now I'm quoting the Cybermen rather than Brittas, though.
Next time I have some DVD money, I'll get one of the really good ones. Meanwhile, I'm 1/4th the way through 'Day of the Daleks'.
Posted by John Hoare at April 4, 2004 01:19 PM
Day? Pleasant and full of nice bits, but badly directed. It's got the bloke from the sweet shop off of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory in it, y'know.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 02:01 PM
Having the closing bit of the titles in the reprise at the start of Episode 2 is a bit shoddy.
But yes, it's good fun so far. It's probably best to be introduced to the series without the classics to start with, you know; otherwise I might just be disappointed with the rest of the stories, rather than be amazed with the really good ones.
Posted by John Hoare at April 4, 2004 02:12 PM
"Day? Pleasant and full of nice bits, but badly directed. It's got the bloke from the sweet shop off of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory in it, y'know."
You mean Paul Daniels then.
That's magic!
Posted by Joey at April 4, 2004 03:35 PM
Er... wha?
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 04:49 PM
It wasn't Paul Daniels. I forget his name, but he was also in Rutland Weekend Television.
Posted by Ian Symes at April 4, 2004 05:19 PM
No, you're thinking of David Battley, who was Charlie's teacher in Wonka and was a RWT regular.
I'm talking about the bloke in the sweet shop at the start who sings 'The Candy Man', who's in Doctor Who - The Day of the Daleks. I must go to the IMDB...
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 06:07 PM
...Aubrey Woods.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 06:08 PM
Why did my dad tell me it was Paul friggin' Daniels then?!
Posted by Joey at April 4, 2004 06:22 PM
It was part of an elaborate attempt to mentally confuse you so much that you'd eventually be able to be transformed into his personal slave.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 06:41 PM
> No, you're thinking of David Battley, who was Charlie's teacher in Wonka and was a RWT regular.
Yes. Tim Brooke-Taylor's in Wonka as well.
Posted by Ian Symes at April 4, 2004 07:34 PM
Playing the part of TV's Graeme Garden.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 08:24 PM
I feel I'm partly responsible for the Dr Who flavour to this feedback.
Ironically I've only seen a few Jon Pertwee episodes (Although there's a vague recollection from my childhood of Sylvester McCoy wandering around gravel pits).
Oh, and I saw the Paul Mcgann thing. Do Whovians (that's right, isn't it?) regard that as the equivalent of Series 8 Dwarf, or are they slightly kinder?
Posted by Pete Martin at April 4, 2004 09:15 PM
No, it's generally liked. Its faults are acknowledged, but people (me included) on the whole think it's a good bit of telly.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 4, 2004 09:24 PM
The only thing I remember about it is the Tardis control room, which was rather spendid if I recall.
Posted by John Hoare at April 4, 2004 09:38 PM
I found the film really annoying, and the TARDIS was just plain wrong, IMO.
The plot was about a Millenium clock or something to do with turning the planet inside-out at midnight? Pah.
Give me Syl McCoy any day over Paul McGann, too. (Though I expect Paul would be fine if he had decent material to work with.)
Posted by Andrew Sidwell at April 4, 2004 10:10 PM
Having been brought up on Dr Who, I would now love to see some of the early stuff again...I cant
seem to recall many repeats of it, whilst 'Sky' is full of awful repeated programmes....Do you think someone will ever take the bull by the horns and re-run it all?....And this may seem a rude/odd question but how old is Darrel and how long have you been a fan?
Posted by Cpt-D at April 4, 2004 11:45 PM
It's on UK Gold all the time, man. A lot of the very early stuff is missing, so a *complete* re-run would be impossible.
Posted by Ian Symes at April 4, 2004 11:51 PM
on an un-related note: did anyone see the concert for George (Harrison) Friday night, despite being an orgy of excellent Music, it also Had..Michael
Palin, Terry Jones, Terry Gwilliam, Eric Idle and
Carol Cleveland doing 'I'm a Lumberjack' with a little help from some friends....There was also a Bare Arsed rendition of 'Sit on My Face'..They even marched out to Spam'Spam'Spam etc.....:).
My appologies if this is Old news, But I rather enjoed it all.......
Posted by Cpt-D at April 4, 2004 11:56 PM
Damn (regards UK Gold), I always avoid it due the the Bloody Adverts....
Posted by Cpt-D at April 4, 2004 11:57 PM
I'm 18 and have been a fan since, well, about 1999.
There are still 108 missing episodes of Doctor Who, they've probably found all the ones that they can find now. One was never even archived.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 5, 2004 12:13 AM
UK Gold (when it first launched back in ninety-blegh) used to show all the old episodes available to it - that's where I first saw The Keys of Marinus, The War Games and similar B&W classics.
More recently UK Gold have declared them to be too far below broadcast quality for them to want to repeat those episodes again. The reruns generally loop from Jon Pertwee through to Sly McCoy, with the "US thing" turning up on UK Gold or the SciFi channel at unpredictable moments.
I've not seen DVD releases of any Who (shame on me!), but unless they've managed to seriously improve the picture quality of the B&W episodes, we're unlikely to see a complete rerun of remaining material on any channel which is afraid of showing low-quality black and white pictures with *ahem* "variable" sound quality. :) Shame really, because most of them are still very watchable.
Posted by Antony Sidwell at April 5, 2004 02:01 AM
The remastered DVD versions of the sixties episodes are amazing - they've even treated the film telerecordings to look like the video they were originally transmitted as. They've used the best prints too, rather than the manky ones that the VHS releases and UK Gold used.
UK Gold can't show any Dalek stories anymore, incidentally, because Roger Hancock is a selfish, fucking stupid useless stupid fucking cunt cunt fucker.
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 5, 2004 10:19 AM
"Man! And here was me thinking that all the dinosaur exctinction stuff in Earthshock was great; according to all the reviews, it's far too convenient, forced, and only kids would think it was any good."
Time-travellers used to take credit for dinosaur extinction the way terrorists leap to become associated with successful attacks nowadays.
By the way, can I just say how surprised I am to see the rubbery dinosaur feet and tail away from the context of the episode. No, really, I wouldn't have guessed. Etc.
I bet their conversation went like this - Doug: "Make us a pair of dinosaur legs and a tail that look good, Trickster, to go with the CGI that will be 'Walking with Dinosaurs' standard." Trickster trots off and returns with the rubbery foam ones, which Robert Llewellyn starts holding and pressing onto the ground talking about Godzilla, sometimes lying on the floor saying it works really well, it's like he's really small, aaargh, and so on. Doug returns from whatever he's been doing and doesn't say the dinosaur feet and tail look shit even though they weren't what he was imagining. After a pause he says: "They look really fake! That's funny - we can play on that!"
And everyone cheers and says that Doug is great for his age.
Posted by Higgery von Schtep at April 5, 2004 04:13 PM
"(The book however, does feature the following amusing exchange cut from the Holly/Lister scene at the start: "It's a classic Catch-44 situation. / Catch 22. / No, it's twice as bad as that.")"
Fucking series 8. I'm angry again now.
Posted by Derren Brown at April 5, 2004 04:17 PM
That's a good joke, you fool!
Posted by John Hoare at April 5, 2004 06:25 PM
No, sorry. Don't tell me when I should laugh. That's an abysmal joke. Typical lazy series 8. As strained as this: "Rimmer: What's that for? / Lister (whispering): Something for the choir. / Rimmer (whispering as well): Something for the quiet? / Lister: No, something for the choir I joined this morning." Just lame.
Posted by Derren Brown at April 6, 2004 11:01 AM
That joke's never appeared in Red Dwarf, though.
Posted by Ian Symes at April 6, 2004 07:32 PM
Well, I stand by my capacities as mind-bending curiosity. Jokes often appear on a subliminal level even if they didn't actually "appear". And series 8 is full of the worst of all non-present humour.
Posted by Derren Brown at April 7, 2004 10:25 AM
Me and Ian must get round to updating the Under Fire article; I think we've changed our minds on a few things, and it could be expanded greatly. Possibly a seperate article for each series, actually.
Certainly, VI deserves an article of its own to be properly defended.
Posted by John Hoare at April 7, 2004 04:25 PM
(And no, it won't suddenly decide VIII is fantastic, all of a sudden.)
Posted by John Hoare at April 7, 2004 04:26 PM
VII, on the other hand...
Posted by Ian Symes at April 7, 2004 07:15 PM
VII is lousy compared to what came before.
And a godsend compared to what followed.
Posted by Pete Martin at April 8, 2004 06:43 PM
I find VIII far more watchable than VII, weirdly enough.
But I'll save this for the article. We're getting to the stage where G&T comments has some weird mutation of Godwin's Law.
Posted by John Hoare at April 8, 2004 07:07 PM
I've just found Talons in the pile of tapes my friend gave me!
Posted by John Hoare at April 18, 2004 01:29 AM
What's this? Excellent production values? Surely not...
Posted by John Hoare at April 18, 2004 12:33 PM
I can't believe someone said Attack of the Cybermen was good. Revelation of the Daleks is the best Colin Baker story. It's got Alexei Sayle in it and everything.
Posted by Seb Patrick at April 18, 2004 03:11 PM
Talons was bloody brilliant. Half-way through The Sunmakers...
Posted by John Hoare at April 18, 2004 06:07 PM
Ooh, it's a good one that! Got Henry Woolf out of Rutland Weekend Television being great in it!
Posted by Darrell Jones at April 18, 2004 07:43 PM
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